Grand Canyon Travel Forum

I know that some may think this is wrong or unethical or whatever, but I just want to know exactly what happens if a ranger finds a violation of a backpacking permit.
We planned our trip and obtained a permit for 6 people to camp below the rim in an "at large" camping area. Now, we may have a 7th person who wants to join the trip and there are no more permits available for either large or small groups. Does anyone know exactly what happens if a ranger discovers a violation? What are the fines like? Do they pursue any type of criminal charges - the website says "possible court appearance", but is the penalty akin to a speeding ticket?

Not sure what the fines are exactly, but the ranger would also force this person to leave. Your 7th should just wait until next time.

You will be forced to leave your camp site. If this means hiking out during night time, that is YOUR problem. If you refuse to leave, you will be arrested on tresspassing charges. If you do not go quietly as you are arrested and taken to your court appearence, that is assault of a federal officer -- something you do NOT want on your permanent, criminal record.

If violating the rules for backpacking were just a matter of paying money, then rich people would simply violate the rules and consider it part of the cost of a visit. The rangers won't let that happen -- they REQUIRE that you LEAVE.

I understand the technical legal requirements, I think the Federal Regs. provides for fines and up to 6 mos. in jail, and the U.S. Code Section provides for $100 fine and 3 mos. in jail.....
But has anyone heard any stories, or actually seen anyone "caught" and forced out in GC Nat. Park? I was in Glacier Nat. Park a few years ago and it seemed quite a few people were off their itineraries and there didn't seem to be any real enforcement.

i got caught building a fire where there was a fireban in Colorado National Monument. they gave me a ticket.

i think you should listen to PR-7 because PR sounds like it could stand for Park Ranger.

Shalom: We were asked a similar question about "overbooking" on rafting trips. To our surprise, during a 7 day rafting trip, we saw two rangers checking the rafting companies, their schedule, people and even equipment. One of our guides told me that they could receive a fine of up to several thousand dollars and in the worst case lose their liscense to raft the river. The Rangers do enforce the laws in the Grand Canyon to protect this beautiful area.
Enjoy your trip there it is fantastic.
Martin

If I were you, I'd e-mail a ranger at their website, NPS.GOV - go to the Grand Canyon section. Find the area where it says "contact, e-mail" and tell them your situation. I have found the Rangers to be responsive and helpful. At least you would know what the penalty would be and get some feedback from the source itself!

Also, they might have some advise on a possible option for you.

You wouldn't want to ruin your trip or somebody's trip.

Have fun and good luck!

Mike