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Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 06:18 AM UTC
Then... what's the meter maid job then?
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 06:20 AM UTC
Huh, this is probably Cultural Shock that Kuala Lumpur are way too many reckless drivers than meter maids, thanks for reply.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:04 AM UTC
sound like a fine idea! ... kl will become a fine city too!!!
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Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:06 AM UTC
Would that not create more traffic on the roads? More people with cars looking for reckless drivers just to make a little bit of money. I can just picture in now, people all over arguing everywhere about trafffic laws etc. Still it made me smile.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:08 AM UTC
Hello SangAji, so you think this idea can work? Or whether its too scary, probably too tough for some elder citizens or some weak heart peoples?
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:15 AM UTC
only problem is it will end-up creating more bureaucracy. i know in uk job is outsourced! easier n cheaper to let the air out of tyres, give the job to street kids.... heheheee
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Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:18 AM UTC
Hi Sha,
my idea was to lock both the car wheels with the big lock provided by the ARDD (or whatever you call it) together with photos attached, and the outlawed driver must either take a cab or walk to the ARDD office to settle the fine. So when the fine has been settled, the person will receive 50% from the ARDD.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:22 AM UTC
Hi SangAji, it can be a say 3 months of try, not neccessarily rigid, hahaha...
It's just an idea to discuss, it can be anyt possibilities.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:25 AM UTC
ya lah... fine already paid, still get summons, apa hal ni?! heard taht wheel locks can be easily removed, n sold as scrap metal! maybe better to 're-educate' drivers!
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:29 AM UTC
To 2000Lee, you just joined in few minutes to talk this topic? Without any travel pages? You can talk but no answer from me.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:36 AM UTC
> wheel locks can be easily removed, n sold as scrap metal! maybe better to 're-educate' drivers! <
That's why we must have photos attached together before submit to the ARDD counter, so that they cannot just escape and sell off the wheel locks....because photos are here together with car number plate...hahaha
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:39 AM UTC
Oops sorry to S2000Lee, I did not see you real join date, apology
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:41 AM UTC
...will be back later
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 07:55 AM UTC
I shall QUIT my current job, and buy my sun tan lotion, and get the latest Nikon camera, and I think i still make a very very handsome pay packet home.... i may end up with a home at Kiara hills!!!
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 08:28 AM UTC
to avoid problems with fine collection, why not introduce pre-paid fines just like pre-paid parking coupons? i know some drivers make so much money they don't mind paying the fines - it's like a status symbol!!
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 08:54 AM UTC
My suggestion :
Root cause - Non gracious drivers? Or just too much traffic inside the city area.
Then - Public education campaign to educate the people. Or think of a way to control the traffic in the city area.
Well, the clamp wheel idea sounds really cool too. I can join Audrey's company.
He! He!
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 09:25 AM UTC
Hi l_joo, i know the traffic problem in KL is serious. Before we can accuse others to be the course of the traffic problem, we ought to ask ourselves whether we are totally law abiding good citizen. That we never double parked, or waiting in the car while girlfriend is paying the Citibank Credit Card bills?
If you were to lock the car that double (or triple) parked, how are you gonna get the law abiding 1st car out from the properly parked slot? Do you really think that will solve the problem?
I’m totally agreed with bkoon that the only problem we have here is too many non-gracious drivers trying to get ahead of each other. One knock, thousand man hours will be wasted sitting silly behind the wheel.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 09:25 AM UTC
Got drawn to the forum by your message title.
Some five years ago, I was in Taipei on a business trip. One morning, I was waiting by the side of hotel next to the MRT station for my colleague to pick me up. The road has a roll of shops selling foods, etc. A car car came by and park at the side of the road which incidentally was a no park no stoping zone. The driver disappeared for a while. A few minutes later, a tow truck came speeding by, reversed into position, jack the parked car up (whose alarm starts going off). At the same time, the tow truck assistant scribed, I think, the car plate number and a contact number on the road where the car was parked. Then the tow truck drived off with the car. All this happened and finished in less than 30 seconds!! You can imagined by shock expression as I was unused to what was going on and it happened just about 2 metres away from me. When I asked my colleague later about the incident, he told me that city council introduced this to curb the illegal parking in the city. The driver basically lost his car and have to reclaim it from the tow truck company's compound and, you guess it, paid some $$$ or fine if you like. I think this idea is pretty cool having seen it in action myself. And if I'm not wrong, the city council most likely outsourced the job to the two truck company. Maybe Audrey can change her business plan.... Start a tow truck outfit, and start hauling illegal park cars off the streets.....
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Thu January 27, 2005 09:38 AM UTC
Hi, this is the usual scene (tow trucks thing) happen in KL downtown, especially around Nikko Hotel and Merana Citibank area.
The problem is people still park & wait by the roadside while waiting for girlfriends to pay Credit Card bill, so much so that I block of road access to these premises.
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Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 12:58 AM UTC
Hey Man
Traffic problems is everywhere , back home the taxi drivers is reckless and lawless. There was more traffic officers deployed and stricter measure were placed for people breaking the law but I guess it did`nt help at all ..... sadly the situation is still the same.
Good Luck Man , Guess you fighting a uphill battle.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 01:06 AM UTC
Where is the darn point of discouraging people to drive less - ways to improve public transport perhaps ?.
Oops...I hope my page is enough to get a feedback.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 02:30 AM UTC
Waaa...so many replies, hmmmm, let me have few minutes to reply you guys.....
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 02:56 AM UTC
Thanks all of you for giving your opinions. The pre-paid-fines-card sound great, probably it can be purchased at shops or petrol station. For Audrey, your dream house is not far away, so get ready your Nikon and sun tan lotion, or perhaps consider team up with tintin and bkoon and gangs. To educate our reckless drivers is possible but ermm…probably need some 10 years or more, still possible but just the time too long and whenever you mention about education in Malaysia, you have to consider our multi languages problem and our school system, and most of the time it ended up benefiting other irrelevant peoples like the Tak Nak (Anti-smoking campaign) that so much money spent for adverting agencies in huge billboards whole country to educate peoples not to smoke, but what is the outcome, probably you can see more peoples standing beside the billboard to enjoy more cigarettes. Then you even have tobacco firms come to warn smokers to support this anti-smoking campaign plus all the non-senses. Remember many years ago when we still sit on the air-con bus with passengers smoking freely with so many warning stickers inside the bus but who cares, so until the governement set the new rules only it come to an end. Some parents themselves can easily wind down the window and BOOM, a big pile of garbage dumped on the street while driving. If you are their children with such parents, what can you do, especially in our society of somehow moral filial-piety that children are not encourage to challenge elders, you can challenge but probably you got a big slap in face?
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 02:56 AM UTC
Recently in the local newspaper, there was a case that a local Indian girl spoken English in a restaurant and got slapped by somebody unknown for not speaking her own language, such peoples are still a whole bunch in this country that they just won't listen. If you want to educate peoples, yes possible but 10 years or more and spend more money to print more booklets or leaflets or banners trying to educate peoples but ended up more garbage dumped on the street, and that was tax payers’ money. Then two years later another new campaign and so on.
Istana’s posting was great, thanks for sharing yours. Cokes and Airasia, thanks for replies, free to comment, free to more comments. For muddybok, thanks for your comments, really appreciate your appearance, as for >> Before we can accuse others to be the course of the traffic problem, we ought to ask ourselves whether we are totally law abiding good citizen. That we never double parked, or waiting in the car while girlfriend is paying the Citibank Credit Card bills? <<
This one reminds me of somebody’s grandmother or someone’s uncle when you tell them to go out travel and they will quickly respond with “…waaa going to Cambodia is very dangerous, there are landmines everywhere, no joke…” then if you try to explain a bit more to them, they will reply “…you youngsters never think about the danger, you just go and happy and what if anything happens to you, do you ever think what will your parents feel and your friends girlfriend boyfriend sisters brothers etc feel….and do you think you just go travel and you can achieve something and why not you be good working hard caring more about others and properly plan your future, you are not young anymore, you should know how to think and blah blah blah !!!!!!!!!” Yes uncle yes uncle, yes grandma yes grandma. Of course this is just a joke, take it easy.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 02:56 AM UTC
Yes Bok, we all double parked before, because who cares! But my idea was not to punish those waiting in the car as it will sure end up with quarrel or fight, I meant those left nobody in the car.
I really think it can work, because the moment the government announce this new idea, peoples will become extra cautious and alert, and for the double or triple parking, we probably don’t use the wheel-locks instead we introduce another new idea of Stick & Snap. We don’t even need to lock them but just paste a piece of summon-sticker on the car with four photos as proof. Heavier fine for this case because they double parked while 30% more for those triple. We make sure we don’t cause more traffic jams and further improvements will be made according to situation needs.
That’s all for now and please feel free to comment more, free to speak, free to give more ideas, my main objective is to solve the problem not cause more problem. Thank you.
Joo
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 02:58 AM UTC
...and I have works today afternoon, so probably reply you guys next day or tonight.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 03:46 AM UTC
Wow!! Looks like this country is not the best place to keep you happy eh!! I won’t deny that I did double parked, also some MPAJ tickets not yet paid kind of thing, but I certainly don’t want to see more problems arising from introducing some out of this world solution.
How do you know “Tak Nak” campaign failed? If you already so decide that the campaign is going to fail, what can I say?
Having a good idea & being idealistic are two deferent things all together. I think we need some local Super Heroes to come to rescue since the situation had been described as totally hopeless. Pls note that this is a global forum. I know the air is free, but do air your grievances appropriately.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 04:18 AM UTC
Muddybok , I have to agree with you. In my country Cape Town is law abiding when it comes the law of road. People never park were they should`nt on the beaches and the same goes for town..... but come to Johannesburg , they`ll cause havok because they just don`t care. I strongly belive that these people will never change "Asking for A Miracle", even if you got a Super Hero.
Our Government have brought up numerous plans to change this ...... we rather left with a whole lot of traffic officers taking bribes with same old situation.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 04:52 AM UTC
Huh,
What a long discussion, and interesting discussion...... :-0
I think in Malaysia, it is not the matter of law inforcement , it is the moral, attitude and culture.
In terms of fine, I think there are no different either clamp or fine or saman..... itu case lain.... it has been carry out by the Perbandaran long times ago... but the problem still exist....
Personally I would think it is a bad culture.... if the father is illegal parking, reckless driving, or..... whatever bad driving attitude you can name it..... and there are kids on board.... don't you think that there are same reckless driver turn up in the coming ten or twenty years???
So, it is better to do it from ourselves.
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Re: Re: To Reckless Drivers Posted: Fri January 28, 2005 05:18 AM UTC
Parents - blame them for your mistakes ? easy way out. But why not learn to take ownership of the mess you make. Grow up.
Laws - made by who ? I- joo just suggested one. Why he put out a suggestion ? Cause somebody made a mess out of traffic or someone don't comply to the law. Who ? Me ? Human nature?. So laws need to be review or new laws need to be implement ?.
Malaysia - is Malaysia. Is how I choose to live in it ? Is man in the mirror and not speak for others.
And after all this being said.
Err..sorry never meant to cause any problems to anybody. I'm grey. Human Nature ???
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