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    • Opening week-traveling alone

      Ibiza 2 hours ago

      I am thinking of traveling alone with a company that is called together travel. It is an AMAZING DEAL. I really want to do it. Although.. All of my friends can not make it ! Wondering if anyone else is going opening week (June 14-19) and is traveling alone? Or wants to meet up

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    • sailboat bareboat charter

      Majorca Island Jan 27, 2015 at 7:19 AM

      We will be on Mallorca in September 2015. I would like to rent a sailboat for a day just to say that I sailed the Mediterranean. Can't seem to find one. Does anyone have any suggestions?

      Thanks

      Tom

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    • santander to bilbao

      Santander Jan 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM

      can we take 6persons with 6 touring bicycles on the FEVE train from Santander to Bilbao

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    • TRAINS FEVE

      Santander Jan 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM

      In JUne 6 persons arriving from ferry , is it ok for 6 persons with 6 touring bicycles to catch feve train to Bilbao????

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      Formentera Buses

      Isla de Formentera Jan 26, 2015 at 7:30 AM

      Thinking about staying at Hotel Cala Saona in September and would like to visit different beaches and go into town for dinners, but prefer not to rent a car or motor bike. Might try bicycles part of the time, but also wondering if there is dependable bus service from Cala Saona into town, and to some of the other beaches. Or would we be better off staying somewhere else with better bus connections?

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    • Hotel/ Finca and activities El Hierro

      Canary Islands Jan 22, 2015 at 7:27 AM

      Hello,
      who has a recommendation for a hotel/ Finca in El Hierro?
      We would like hiking. I absolutely need a car or is it possible by bus to explore the island and get to the starting point for the hike? Are there any other tips for the island, travel period March 2015. Thank you.

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    • 3/4 day trek in the Picos staying at refuges

      Picos de Europa Jan 20, 2015 at 11:51 AM

      Hi there - I wondered if you might be able to help as I've done lots of research but am having trouble coming to any conclusions! My family of 5 (2 adults, 3 teenagers 15, 17 and 19) are coming to the Picos in the summer en route to Portugal. Ideally we'd like to go to a hotel/pension where we can stay one night, leave our baggage and car and start a circular walk the next morning that will last about 4 days - staying each night at a different mountain refuge and returning after the 3rd night to the hotel to pick up our kit, stay one final night and depart south. We're all fairly fit and up for decent walks although don't want to experience the cable I've read about ('a fall could be fatal') on the Central Picos circuit!! (am hoping there must be an alternative to this steep section?) Do you have any suggestion of where we should base ourselves (hotel/town), which part of the Picos we should concentrate on and any specific routes/refuges that would fit this brief? Would very much appreciate any advice anyone can give

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    • Supermarket/Restaurant hours Sunday 25 January 2015

      Isla de Fuerteventura Jan 17, 2015 at 2:27 AM

      Staying at Grand Hotel Natura Corralejo - does anyone please know of the nearest supermarket and opening hours or restaurants nearby - anything reasonable will do

      Has anyone had any experience of the Al la Carte Restaurant at Grand Hotel Natura - rough price of menus

      Many thanx

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    • Azuline Hotel Llevant

      Ibiza Jan 16, 2015 at 5:52 PM

      Anyone know if you need a wristband to get into this hotel? A friend was going to stay with us while we were there, but is unsure about security.
      Thanks.

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    • Does anyone know of a good cycling group in Alcudia, Majorca?

      Alcudia Jan 16, 2015 at 4:39 AM

      This is where I am going this summer! I haven´t told my family yet, the kids will go wild, my wife will forgive me all my sins. It is bang in the middle of cycling land in the north coast of Majorca, where all the top teams train, except they all go much earlier in the year. What I would like is to join some kind of local cycling group operating in the area. Does anyone know how I can get in contact with cycling groups in the area? I appreciate any help, Thank you!

       

       

       

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    • f1 race day

      Lloret de Mar Jan 11, 2015 at 7:08 PM

      how much would it cost in a taxi from llorett de mar to cattalunia stadium in barcellona on race day to f1 grand prix

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      Carrer Sicilia

      Barcelona Jan 6, 2015 at 10:40 AM

      Is this a recommandable place to discover Barcelona for about 4-5 days?

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      Is accommodation in Carrer Scilia recommandable?

      Barcelona Jan 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM

      Hi @ all, We'll stay 4-5 days in Barcelona at the end of February. Would you recommend Carrer Sicilia? Is this a good place to discover the city? Sagrada Familia doesn't seem to be too far, but I'm not yet informed about the City, to be true. Any suggestions? As always, your helpful answers will be well appreciated. Thanks in advance and a happy new year to you all. Nic

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    • Estepona in Novemer

      Estepona Jan 5, 2015 at 7:40 AM

      I was thinking of visiting for a week at the beginning of November - will it be warm with plenty to do?

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    • Beach towns near Barcelona

      Barcelona Jan 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM

      Hi all. This my first posting on VT. We are two retired couples traveling to Spain and Portugal next September for almosta month. We are flying into Barcelona on Sept 6 and thought it would be nice to head to one of the nice beach towns north or west of Barcelona for the first few days as we settle into the time zone! A nice sea view would be lovely, and somewhere where we can easily walk out to local restqurants . I've done some research and can't decide between somewhere like Tossa de mar in the Costa Braga or maybe around d Cambrils in Costa Dorada. Thoughts would be so appreciated. We were not planning to rent a car until later in our trip, so we will be making our way from Barcelona Into. Airport. Then we would move on to Barcelona., Madrid, etc. Before heading to Portugal.

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    • Bus from Sevilla to Los Canos de Meca

      Sevilla Jan 4, 2015 at 12:29 PM

      Where do I find the timetables and bus company from this route. Travelling to Los Canos on Thursday and returning following Friday.

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    • What to do in Barcelona

      Barcelona Jan 23, 2015 at 11:28 AM

      Hello,

      My husband and I (both in our early 30s) are going to be in Barcelona mid May for 4-5 nights. What's the best are to stay in? I was looking at maybe the Gothic Quarter?
      Are there places we should take day trips to nearby that we can take the train to?
      Is 4 nights enough or do we need 5? We will be taking the train to France for the rest of the trip.

      Thanks!
      Nicole

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    • holiday for family

      Torremolinos Jan 12, 2015 at 11:30 AM

      Hello there, I'm just looking for a bit of advice. I'm planning a visit for 10 days to Toremollinos in May 2015. I've have been researching a lot of hotel and think the one I like best especially for my toddler is Sol Principi. Has anyone been there and if so what was you opinion and feel for the hotel. Also I'm looking for a holiday that has quite a fair bit to do outside the hotel so we arnt tied everyday all day. I've seen there are theme parks zoos and aquamarina parks not far from the town and was just wondering has anyone visited these. I'm just tying to get a feel doe the place. This is our first holiday in 7 years and our first time taking our 2yr old daughter abroad and so desperately want to get it right for us all.

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      Or is Carrer Perecamps, 08001 Barcelona, Spanien better for a stay?

      Barcelona Jan 6, 2015 at 11:58 AM

      Would appreciate your comment.

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    • Car Rental

      Isla de Lanzarote Jan 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM

      Hi,
      First time to Lanzarote We are staying at Playa Blanca Aguamarina and want to be able to walk to shop/bar restaurant etc can anyone advise if Car rental is required and where best to arrange it if needed. Many thanks

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      Travel from Barcelona to Italy

      Barcelona Jan 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM

      The wife and I are on an organized tour of Spain which finishes in Madrid on the 25th May 2015.We then wish to travel independently to Barcelona and then along the coastline of France and Italy,finishing up in Sorrento for the Amalfi Coast.We wish to take approximately a month,stopping at various locations for 3-4 days.Any advice would be appreciated.At this stage we anticipate travelling mostly by train.

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    • a Camp site

      Barcelona Jan 1, 2015 at 9:24 AM

      Is there a Camp site close to Camp Nou football stadium ?

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    • Camp Site

      Barcelona Jan 1, 2015 at 9:17 AM

      Need a camp site close to Camp Nou - Barcelona ?

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      2 weeks in Northern Spain in July

      Spain Jan 1, 2015 at 5:59 AM

      I will bring 3 teenagers to Biarritz for their french classes. After two weeks their parents and my husband will meet us in Moliets. I will travel these two weeks in Northern Spain on my own. I speak french and spanish and am used to travel alone. I like mid sized to small beach towns but do not need to swim. I saw a picture of O Grove and loved it.and think I will travel by bus or train to Galicia. Can you recommend some other places to stay at each 2 or 3 nights on the way. The journey back I will make in one day, flying, train or bus.

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    • bus routes to Caaravaca de la cruz

      Caravaca Jan 16, 2015 at 10:13 AM

      I am planning a trip to Caravaca de la cruz in September 2015, I have already booked a hotel room there, but cannot seem to find any bus companies which go there. I come up with a bus station in Caravaca de la cruz and claims there are 5 bus lines which serve the city, yet I continually come up empty on company or schedules, I will be arriving in Madrid and will travel from Madrid to Caravaca, I have checked bus lines from Murica and still come up empty, could you please help

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      Free parking near this hotel (center)

      by travelnut71 Online Now Aug 4, 2014 at 6:11 AM

      I will be at this hotel
      Hotel algo
      Contamina, 20-24
      Zaragoza, 50003, Spain

      I would need to park my car overnight fees can be steep I usually walk blocks away to park any good ideas around the area?

      Thanks

      13 Answers Aug 8, 2014 at 2:53 AM
    • Coach/bus tour from zaragoza

      by anindya1974 Online Now May 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM

      Hi, I'll be staying at zaragoza for 3 weeks for some works. In between If possible I want to do a coach/bus tour of spain. Anyone knows if this is possible?

      1 Answer May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM
    • Holiday activities for 16 year olds

      by Applepie Online Now Apr 20, 2014 at 2:00 AM

      Hello my daughter is coming to zaragozza to stay with our Spanish friends. I would like her to be occupied during the day, mixing with Spanish young people, engaged in some activity.

      Many thanks Lisa

      4 Answers Apr 22, 2014 at 4:36 AM
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      Living in Zaragoza

      by gregorheard Online Now Jan 29, 2014 at 8:57 PM

      We're looking to spend six months in Spain next year, and think Zaragoza would be a good spot to live. There is me, my wife and two young boys - they'll be four and one by there. In terms of Spanish speaking - I've done two uni-level units but am still very much in the basic category - Kate hasn't studied formally. I'd like to a short course at the uni. Our major questions surrounding getting good, medium term rentals for that period. What are the prices, and are there many furnished places? We were looking at somewhere between the Uni and the Casco Antiguo.... We're not planning on heading across for another year but fun to start planning now! Cheers, Gregor 

       

      8 Answers Jan 30, 2014 at 1:11 PM
    • Zaragoza Airport - Pamplona by Buss

      by NewCaminoFan Online Now Jan 13, 2014 at 7:20 AM

      Hi, I will fly on 1'st of April from Bucharest to Zaragoza.
      The plane will departure at 20h. At the same time the buss to Pamplona is scheduled for 20h too. So, my question is - Will the Buss wait for the passengers of my flight? I need this information for ticket booking.

      4 Answers Jan 14, 2014 at 8:03 AM
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      Zaragoza-Mdrid train

      by MacedonianUK Online Now Sep 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

      We are planing family trip to Zaragoza and Madrid for late Oct.
      Plan is as follows
      20-Oct to 24 Zaragoza
      Afternoon train to Madrid
      Madrid 24-28Oct
      28th early train to Zaragoza to pick up mid afternoon flight back home.

      Now need more info on trains in Spain, I am looking into buying return tickets Zaragoza-Madrid-Zaragoza for 3 OAP ( over 65yrs old) 2 kids and 4 adults.
      I have been looking on http://www.renfe.com/EN/viajeros/
      But I am unable to ind special fares for OAPs.
      I would like to buy the tickets ASAP , so I might bag a bargain.
      Any suggestions please.

      8 Answers Sep 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM
    • is the city busy mid-August

      by gcfalco Online Now Aug 3, 2013 at 8:47 AM

      We're travelling though Zaragoza in a few weeks time. Is it worth a night there as opposed to say Logrono? Would either be very busy? Or will all the residents have gone to the coast!

      3 Answers Aug 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM
    • Nice paces to live near Zaragoza

      by brianandlina Online Now Jul 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

      Hi there, we are moving to Spain in January for six months from Australia with our four young children. The purpose is for me (Brian) to learn Spanish and get the kids used to speaking it. Mum (Lina) is fluent and our children all understand everything in Spanish but speak mainly English.

      We would like to live close to Zaragoza but not in the city itself. I will be attending Spanish classes at the University, while the kids go to a local school. We both want to practice our cooking and wine appreciation and possibly do some volunteer work with schools or church.

      We had all of Spain to choose from and chose Zaragoza due to its climate between January and June and transport links to Madrid and Barcelona. All we need to find now is find a house to rent in small town or village with community, a winery nearby and a restaurant or two and our plan will be complete. Any advice anyone can offer on any of the above points will be very welcome indeed. Brian

      11 Answers Jan 29, 2014 at 2:07 PM
    • Travel

      by Vincentmetzger Online Now Jul 4, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      How to get from Canfranc to Zaragoza by bus or train?

      2 Answers Jul 5, 2013 at 3:01 AM
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      bus on Aug. 15

      by garrouca Online Now Jun 27, 2013 at 3:05 AM

      Hello I'm visiting Zaragoza on August 15 is there a possibility that would not be buses to Monasterio de Piedra Park since it will be holiday?

      3 Answers Jun 27, 2013 at 7:30 AM
    • Is it possible to take a short trip from Zaragoza to the Monasterio de Piedra Park?

      by uniwhisp Online Now May 15, 2013 at 7:59 AM

      I'm staying in Zaragoza for one day in July and the only thing I could find was an entire day trip. One bus leaves Zaragoza in the morning and returns in the evening. Is there anyway to go for a shorter amount of time? Is it possible to hire a driver or something like that?

      1 Answer May 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM
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      Airport transfer

      by aausrele Online Now Feb 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

      What is the cheapest way of getting from Airport to the town centre? I am arriving at 22:00 mid April.

      Thank you!

      3 Answers Feb 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM
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      Moving to Zaragoza for studies

      by ChristineS16 Online Now Jan 14, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      Hi there,
      I came across this forum in my desperate search for accommodation in Zaragoza. My husband and I are moving there for close to a year from me to study at the University of Zaragoza.
      My classes will be from 4 - 8 pm everyday, I am looking for accommodation that will be walking distance to Campus Rio Ebro. I would preferably like to find accommodation before we arrive beginning of next month.
      The challenge we are facing is that we can't speak Spanish (my degree program is in English) so the accommodation websites are not making much sense. :-(. Are there are sites in English or possibly estate agents who speak English. I promise to learn the language once there.
      Any assistance you can give me will be greatly appreciated.
      Thank you.

      3 Answers Jan 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM
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      Monasterio de Piedra Park

      by KatieJ14 Online Now Jul 18, 2012 at 3:13 AM

      Hi,
      We are hoping to visit Zaragoza in September,
      which is the best way to get to the Monasterio de Piedra Park?
      I have looked on the website but am not sure how close the train/buses stop to the park, and how long it would take?
      Many thanks katie

      1 Answer Jul 18, 2012 at 5:23 AM
    • Motorcycle parking

      by revinkevin Online Now Jul 17, 2011 at 2:15 PM

      We are passing through Zaragoza on our motorbike in september and would like to stop off to see Aljaferia. Is there anywhere we can park the bike?

    • how much time do I need to get from Zaragoza airport to Delicias train station?

      by alexandrrra Online Now May 30, 2011 at 10:01 AM

      Hello everyone
      This year, at the end of June, I'm planning to come to Spain. I'll be arriving in Zaragoza at 3:30pm and I want to go to Pamplona. The last train is leaving Delicias Station at 5:30pm. Let's say it will take me an hour to get out of the airport. my question is: can I get to Delicias in, let's say less than an hour BY BUS?
      Thank you

      2 Answers May 30, 2011 at 11:45 PM
    • Moving to work in Zaragoza need advice

      by sonyplayez Online Now May 21, 2011 at 9:39 PM

      Hi everyone I am new on the forum and wanted to ask a few questions in the hope to get suggestions and advice. I have been offered a volunteer position teaching English in Zaragoza and wanted to find more about it before deciding so the questions are as follows:


      • Is apartment hunting difficult and can you find decent but cheap accommodation for one person? Does anyone know the rent per month in Euros for a studio or one bedroomed place? (Any websites you can signpost me to)


      • Is English spoken or understood as I have never been to Spain or tried to speak Spanish.


      • Can you meet people easily as I will not know a soul and would like to make friends outside the work environment.


      • What is the weather like on all seasons? And what is the cost of living like compared to bigger cities in Spain.


      • Are there good supermarkets and shopping centres or foreign brand shops.

      • Any advice on what to bring or expect when living in Zaragoza and anything else a newcomer should know.


      I would appreciate any suggestions or wisdom you may offer and hope to hear from you soon thanks.


      Sunny :-)

      8 Answers May 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM
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      Fiesta San Valero

      by ginirover Online Now Nov 28, 2010 at 3:17 AM

      We're going to Zaragoza next January and found out that by coincidence we're there during their fiesta San Valero (Jan 29).
      We do find enough explanations why this fiesta is taking placet, but nothing so far on what we can expect of this fiesta...
      Does anybody have an idea Would it be open to foreigners (I speak spannish) or is it more something for the locals ?

      5 Answers Dec 1, 2010 at 11:42 AM
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      Train connection from the airport

      by MacedonianUK Online Now Oct 17, 2010 at 6:08 AM

      I am due to go to Zaragoza in 3 weeks.
      I will be travelling with 4yrs old and our plane lands at 20.30local time..
      I know that buses run to the town centre every half hour till 22.15pm.
      I try to be organised and I would like to have back up and possibility of train usage..
      I heard that train should run to city center's station Delicias, ..
      Now question is till what time and where I can find timetables and prices, please??
      Any info will be appreciated...Many thanks
      MacedonianUK

      1 Answer Oct 17, 2010 at 7:33 AM
    • Transporte Hotel Hiberus

      by joanamopa Online Now Oct 14, 2010 at 8:26 AM

      Hola!

      Tenemos una reserva en el Hotel Hiberus para el Puente de Noviembre. Sabemos que está un poco alejado del centro por lo que agradeceríamos si alguién nos puede informar si hay metro o lineas de bus cercanas al hotel (que nº).

      También quisiéramos saber si hay OTA o es fácil encontrar aparcamiento por esa zona ya que el parking del hotel es bastante caro, ¿es segura la zona? Dejaríamos el coche del sabado a lunes que también es festivo.

      Gracias. Un saludo.

      1 Answer Oct 22, 2010 at 3:46 AM
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      Free guided tours around Zaragoza

      by MacedonianUK Online Now Oct 4, 2010 at 5:13 AM

      I will be visiting Zaragoza from 6 to 9 November. & I am looking for guided tour around town. I read somewhere that Zaragoza has volunteering society similar to the one In New York, where native history enthusiast will show you around, but it has to be booked well in advance.
      I have been looking for this info on the web, but seems I have been looking in the wrong place as I can not find what I am looking for.
      The guided tour I found on offer is 3 hrs and it's cost €115. which I think is bit steep.
      Anyone knows such website and where to start looking??
      Many thanks.
      V

      5 Answers Oct 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM
    • Considering living for the summer in Zaragoza

      by jane11e Online Now Oct 3, 2010 at 4:01 PM

      My husband and I and 2 daughters ages 6 and 7 are considering living in Zaragoza for the entire summer (June thru Aug) so we can improve our Spanish and immerse ourselves in a different culture. (We're also considering Santander.) We are wondering which neighborhood(s) in Zaz are best for a family to live in, and whether we'll be able to enjoy the stay despite the heat. We live in Northern California. Any advice? Thanks!

      5 Answers Oct 5, 2010 at 11:33 PM
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      Cheap accommodation with 4yrs old

      by MacedonianUK Online Now Sep 9, 2010 at 3:00 AM

      I need info on cheap chain hotels in Spain, specially city of Zaragoza.
      I am looking for something equivalent to Premier inn in UK or Etap hotels in Germany, Holland & Austria.Something which won't break the bank.
      Any ideas where to start looking?
      I got cheap Ryanair tickets for November & I am taking my 4 yrs old girl with me.
      I just need something safe & clean for 4 nights.
      Many thanks!!
      V

      3 Answers Sep 9, 2010 at 8:53 AM
    • Help

      by anitacat Online Now Aug 26, 2010 at 5:59 PM

      I have tried numerous places to find "Mirabal Gorge", I have looked at the parks, cities etc. but can't find where it is exactly. My sister and I would like to go there next year when we go to Zaragosta.

      3 Answers Aug 27, 2010 at 12:50 AM
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      Taking the El Camello train to Canfranc

      by ladysail Online Now Jun 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM

      I would like to take this regional train from Zaragoza to Canfranc, but cannot find out much information about it. Does it still run? Does one need advance reservations? If so, where would I book it online? I'm from Canada. I'm not going to be in Spain until Oct 2011..so I'm planning a bit ahead. I'm also going to spend time in Zaragoza before heading back to Barcelona.

      The adventure sounds very scenic and historical. Has anyone ever done this?

      Thank you for any help and suggestions!!

      6 Answers Sep 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM
    • zaragoza in two days

      by natansz Online Now Jun 3, 2010 at 8:54 AM

      A family of three (2 adults and a 16 year old) would like to explore Zaragoza in two days. What to do, tapas recommendations, anything you like to tell us about what's great about the city.
      Appreciated.

      2 Answers Jun 3, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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      HOTELES DE CARRETERA ENTRE ZARAGOZA Y LA RIOJA

      by Bada-Ran Online Now Oct 8, 2009 at 6:47 AM

      Hola a todos!
      necesito de manera un poco urgente (para mañana) algun hotel de carretera que esté en la autopista Zaragoza - La Rioja. viniendo de Barcelona, por la noche pasaría por zaragoza allá a las 11, no creo que pueda llegar mucho mas lejo.

      alguien me podría dar nombres e hoteles?

      gracias!

      2 Answers Oct 8, 2009 at 7:54 AM
    • Fiesta del Pilar

      by dseckel Online Now Sep 13, 2009 at 8:46 AM

      I'I'd like to attend the Fiestas del Pilar at its peak, but I'll be touring by car, and it seems a bad time to try to book a reasonably priced hotel and bring a car into the core of the city. Can anyone recommend someplace to stay nearby (even if several km), on any train line, with easy and frequent access into Zaragoza? Thanks.

      7 Answers Sep 16, 2009 at 1:24 AM
    • Zaragoza Card, "Hidden Gems" and "Must Eat" Here Restaurants & Bars?

      by Ladyplus Online Now Aug 9, 2009 at 3:51 PM

      Hello,

      1. Has anyone purchased and used the Zaragoza Card (24 hour)? Was it worth it?

      2. What are your "Hidden Gem" finds and why?

      3. Where are your "Must Eat" restaurants & bars? Why? What's the best dish?

      Thanks!!!

      4 Answers Aug 10, 2009 at 7:56 AM
    • Location, Location, Location?

      by Ladyplus Online Now Aug 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM

      Hello,

      I'm trying to decide where to stay for the evening while in Zaragoza. I would like to be centrally located near the tourist sites, restaurants and all transportation. If anyone is familiar with these areas, I would appreciate your unbiased opinion to help me select which area is best for my short stay.

      1. Espoz y Mina, 33
      2. Pº de los Puentes, 2
      3. Marques de Casa Jiménez, s/n

      3 Answers Aug 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM