RE: how to get there?
Both of these towns are stops on the Ferrovia del Sud Est, the private railway line serving the lesser towns of Puglia. The website is, as you would expect, a bit difficult to navigate.
My experience on this railway is that it's slow and circuitous, with unexplained changes of train, bits of the journey filled in by bus, and a baffling lack of information along the way, but if you don't want to drive it's an entertaining alternative.
You are offered the choice of English and Italian, but on my visit the English wasn't working.
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